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Taking Chances? Ummm...

After episode 10, "Sleeping Beauty," I am currently working through the "Moonlight Stages of Grief."  I think I'm almost over anger, but I haven't fully gotten to the snark-level of appreciation yet.  ;-)

For those of you who are fully in snarky-land (we need episode discussion threads to revel in the snarkiness!!), I thought you might appreciate the recent Rolling Stone review of Celine Dion's album, Taking Chances.  If you don't recall, the title track of her album was used for a couple of Moonlight promos at the beginning of the season.  And if you aren't shocked by that, Celine's album has a connection to Evanescence!!!!

Text of the Rolling Stone review (bolding of text is mine):

Celine Dion calling her new album Taking Chances? That's like a Zac Efron musical called Making Cops Shit Their Pants, or a Lil Wayne mix tape titled Bumming Bus Fare From My Mom. Celine's shtick is as safe a bet as there is in the music biz, coming a mere six months after her last album, the Canadian chart-topper D'Elles. Alas, her cat-strangling whine is still a remarkably ugly sound, no matter what she's singing. The days are gone when she had her pick of material, ruining perfectly nice pop-trash ballads from Diane Warren or Jim Steinman — no songs here by either of them, and Linda Perry's "New Dawn" is a Nineties leftover. She interprets Ne-Yo ("I Got Nothin' Left") and the Dream ("Skies of L.A.") with awful results. She goes back to Eighties schlockmeister Aldo Nova for "Can't Fight This Feelin'," which is unfortunately not an REO Speedwagon cover. But that's nothing compared to Dion shrieking the ten millionth version of Heart's "Alone" (mad pitchy, dog!), produced by ex-Evanescence guitarist Ben Moody — Amy Lee, meet the fugliest bullet you ever dodged.

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verushka70
Dec. 28th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
After episode 10, "Sleeping Beauty," I am currently working through the "Moonlight Stages of Grief." I think I'm almost over anger, but I haven't fully gotten to the snark-level of appreciation yet. ;-)


Well, I think I've gotten from denial, to anger, to depression. I'm not yet at acceptance. So let's talk about Sleeping Beauty. As usual, I was gripped by the episode and glued to the TV, but throughout I asked myself, "What? Huh?!"

I'm okay with Josef's new soft underbelly. His advice about not getting overly involved with mortals (except maybe as food) now makes much more sense.

(Obviously, we need more explanation of why/how Sarah got caught between the living and undead -- left wide open for future eps. Looking forward to that!)

But what's with Mick's swift change from heated attraction to single-minded pursuit of how Morgan/Coraline became human? In Fleur De Lis, he did open the door to his shower while she was in it, got in there with her, kissed her, pressed himself fully clothed against her naked, wet body...

Yet in Sleeping Beauty, he and Beth are in Coraline's hospital room, and Beth says to him , "You still care for her, don't you?"

Mick responds, "She was my wife."

So why isn't he more pissed off at Beth for staking Morgan/Coraline??

Admittedly, Josef told Beth in Fleur De Lis that "When it comes to Coraline, Mick doesn't think with his big head." (Another of those wonderfully smutty lines of dialogue I love!)

Whatever Coraline's past with Mick, she tells him from her hospital bed in Sleeping Beauty, "I came back for you. I became human for you. Doesn't that mean anything?" Mick's only response is, "How, Coraline? You have to tell me how."

It made me wonder how much Mick actually cares about her. Whether he cares about Coraline with his little head, or whether he only cares about her because he wants to know how she became human again, why isn't he more upset at Beth for almost killing her?

There are other examples of emotional inconsistency in this episode. Mick was tearful over Josef in the hallway of his apartment/office with Beth, saying "He saw so much, so much history. He was history. And now he's gone! And that loss to me is so enormous... that I'm not even sure if I know how to mourn him." A minute later, he finds Josef alive and well in his office. But Josef gets no hug, no glad exclamations of "You're alive! Thank God!" from Mick. Why?

And the way Beth is being written is getting irritating. In the ep B.C., when she said, "I have some apologies to make," I always felt one of her first apologies should have been to Mick. She went to his house high on B.C., threw herself at him, tried to get him to turn her. Fortunately for her, Mick did the gentlemanly thing: brought her down from the high, didn't take advantage of her in that state. Of course, she owed Josh an apology. But she owed Mick an apology too, I felt.

In Sleeping Beauty, Beth could have at least apologized to Mick for almost murdering Coraline. But not one word of apology came from her. And he didn't even ask, which is surprising -- if he actually cares about Coraline (big or little head).

I blame the writers for these emotional inconsistencies. Or the editors; maybe those elements were filmed, but left out of the broadcast ep. Either way, it's annoying.

On the plus side, the special fx & fight scenes were great, loved the "Darkwatch" (Blackwater!) references, Beth's realization that she's behaved incredibly badly towards Josh (when she tells him she was going to call him from the airport? cold!). And I thought Jason Dohring did a great job in this episode.

ms_geekette
Dec. 31st, 2007 04:46 am (UTC)
Actually I have written *far* too much about "Sleeping Beauty" on various Moonlight communities and on some ML boards since the episode aired a couple of weeks ago. I think I came to several conclusions after talking to a bunch of peeps:

1. CBS is not sure what they want this show to be yet, I don't think. If they continue to push the romance while not allowing the characters to develop a little more fully, I don't think I will be watching as closely as I have been. (Or I will enjoy this show via making fun of it, which I really don't want to do, b/c it has potential for being a fairly good show, darn it!)

2. Writing staff hasn't quite gelled together yet. The Writer's Strike may have impacted this episode a bit, but it doesn't explain away some previous shifts in character that some people have found perplexing. Perhaps the shake-ups and rush from going from pilot presentation to series before the season began might have had an effect. (But Mick is a vampire - he can act a little weird and it can be explained away a bit easier.)

3. Budget woes impacting storytelling? I'm not sure how many episodes Jason and Shannyn are contracted for this season. I know Brian White (Lt. Carl) has been absent from the last few eps. And Guillermo is totally MIA.

And yes, I *totally* agree with you...Beth has been acting like a bit of an arsehole, especially towards Josh. I would like to see her character not come off as much of a psycho in the future. "Get some ovaries, girl!" :-D I, personally, can't continue to get into the kind of increasingly lazily written romance that is currently being "sold" by the show. Please, no more "hand/wistful glances" scenes for a while, I beg of thee!

High points for the episode for me was the first fight scene and all the slashy love going on between Mick and Josef.

I'm looking forward to episode 11 and 12, but I'm not getting my hopes up *too* much at this point. Hopefully the show will come back from the strike and turn it around. Ep 10 was just a sorta a really weird ep for me. (some people stated that it felt two episodes were smashed together, and I sorta agree...not sure if it was a push to have a "procedural story of the week" over allowing some good character development or not)

And finally, for my official snark for this post: "It sometimes feels the story is being fast-forwarded at points for no rhyme or reason at times. Sort of like the choppiness I kind of find when I try to watch episodes on CBS's Innertube player." ;-D

(Don't be depressed..get snarky!)

verushka70
Jan. 2nd, 2008 07:54 am (UTC)
1. CBS is not sure what they want this show to be yet, I don't think. --snip-- (Or I will enjoy this show via making fun of it, which I really don't want to do, b/c it has potential for being a fairly good show, darn it!)


You are so right here! I don't want to snark. CBS and the writers are making me snark! I've seen far too many TV shows/movies to have my chain so easily yanked by completely predictable and/or sloppy writing.

The Writer's Strike may have impacted this episode a bit, but it doesn't explain away some previous shifts in character that some people have found perplexing.


I am so glad you wrote this! Thank you! I'm only on 2 ML comms; the other (besides this) is rather gushy. I've previously commented here on what I found to be inexplicable character shifts, but my snarking was vigorously parried, which made me wonder if readers forgot the original purpose of this comm.

I want to love this show, I do. It has the basic ingredients to be something truly fantastic, imho. But so far it's only showing brief glimpses of greatness amidst a lot of muddled writing and inexplicable shifts in action and character which I find very non-plausible and for which there is not enough believable basis for suspension of disbelief.

(But Mick is a vampire - he can act a little weird and it can be explained away a bit easier.)


Yes, but only so much and only so often. Because if they keep using that "Well, he's a vampire, he's weird!" subtext, sooner or later you sit back, look at the big picture and think, if this is how vampires are, how on earth could they have escaped detection all this time? Humans can be pretty dumb -- but we're not all that stupid or unobservant.

OTOH, I do think Sophia Myles is doing as well as can be expected with the material (Alex, Jason, & Shannyn too). Sophia did a pretty good job portraying someone extremely uncomfortable in Sleeping Beauty, in the hospital scene where the doctor said that "it's an unusual wound -- I understand she told the ER doctor it was some type of accident. Do either of you know what happened?"

Those tiny movements of head-shaking, nonverbal stuttering movements, mouth opening slightly and closing, and her shifting eyes said way more than words -- but without overdoing it to a point where the doctor would see a red flag and go, What's up with her?

High points for the episode for me was the first fight scene


If you mean the one in Josef's blown out office between Mick and the Darkwatch killer -- that was a well choreographed fight and action sequence.

and all the slashy love going on between Mick and Josef.


Yes, but not enough!! I mean, one minute Mick's tearful at the idea of Josef being gone from his life -- the next minute he's annoyed at Josef, who they've discovered is actually still alive! There was no big "Thank God you're alive!" hug or anything. They were almost more slashy in the pilot, when they were touching each other more. ;D

(some people stated that it felt two episodes were smashed together, and I sorta agree...


Yeah. I got a feeling like that -- or that maybe they filmed WAY TOO MUCH material and had to chop it up in the editing, introducing inconsistencies.

And finally, for my official snark for this post: "It sometimes feels the story is being fast-forwarded at points for no rhyme or reason at times. Sort of like the choppiness I kind of find when I try to watch episodes on CBS's Innertube player." ;-D


Yes, Innertube truly is that bad at times! That's how I first started watching Moonlight, until I got suckered into a season subscription at Amazon Unbox.


(Don't be depressed..get snarky!)


I heartily agree. I guess I'm a little too jaded as a TV and movie viewer to just automatically buy into whatever they're trying to sell me. No matter how pretty the pretty is. :-D


ms_geekette
Jan. 5th, 2008 05:18 am (UTC)
I am so glad you wrote this! Thank you! I'm only on 2 ML comms; the other (besides this) is rather gushy. I've previously commented here on what I found to be inexplicable character shifts, but my snarking was vigorously parried, which made me wonder if readers forgot the original purpose of this comm.

I think *many* online Moonlight fans are SUPER defensive, and in some online enclaves (not all, mind you) they are sort of like a gang. ;-) I understand part of it...since David Greenwalt was involved with the show before the season started, this show was brought to the attention of a lot of Buffy and Angel fans, and when this show became apparent that it *wasn't* going to be the "new" Buffy or Angel, the hate and vitriol towards a little TV show about a vampire was pretty overwhelming. I should know, I've been watching this show since the pilot and have been hanging around the message boards, etc. I've even posted comments on entertainment blogs trying to state a logical point of view about the show, voted in stupid polls, etc. I've noticed some Forever Knight fans are still pretty bitter about this show, Blood Ties fans are screaming a bit and even some freakin' Close to Home fans (not a vampire show) are holding a grudge, since they blame Moonlight for their show's demise. This show feels like it has gone through a war online, and this is not really coming from fans in the community, even. Moonlight was one of the big punching bags of the 2007 Fall TV season with critics, and it's still around, so people still like to kick it every once in a while.

The problem that I'm finding now is that if you bring up certain things that is not in line with the so-called perceived "majority" Moonlight opinion (the hardcore Mick/Beth shippers, I'm sorta looking at you with a slight stink eye), you are almost branded as an enemy of the state, not a fan of the show, and you should just really shut up and go away, b/c you are harshing their mellow. I'm fine with that...I'm not going to go on a MickBeth community and say "OMG Coraline RULZ! Mick/Coraline 4EVA!!," because that is silly and just plain inflammatory.

However, I DO have a problem with supposedly general communities *saying* that they are open to all fans of the show, but really, they *aren't*. Who says that one kind of fan is superior than another? I just don't get it. Aren't we all watching the show and talking about it? Isn't that what CBS/Warner Brothers wants? Part of it is sane moderators stepping in and saying "whoa, let's play nice, people" and it seems some community creators are MIA, or are not helping jump-start community content. Unfortunately, I've noticed that some Moonlight message board creators (not necessarily on LJ) are using the fans of the show to either support some fantasy of theirs or help themselves to potentially make some cash from an interest. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they appear to have some hidden agenda and aren't totally open about it. They may think they are being truly sincere and completely benevolent, but they kinda aren't.

I do not know what happened with the person that started this community, I probably should touch base with them and see what's up. There's lots of funny-related stuff floating around out there right now about Moonlight and this community could be hopping a bit. Perhaps the person gave up on the show, I dunno.

(rambling to be continued...)
verushka70
Jan. 7th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
...since David Greenwalt was involved with the show before the season started, this show was brought to the attention of a lot of Buffy and Angel fans, and when this show became apparent that it *wasn't* going to be the "new" Buffy or Angel, the hate and vitriol towards a little TV show about a vampire was pretty overwhelming.


I heard about that, but I didn't follow it in detail. I don't (can't) follow all that "buzz" stuff (for reasons including limited online time -- chronic tendinitis). And I have a love/hate (mostly hate) relationship with "entertainment news", mainly because of their build-'em-up-tear-'em-down ethos. I just can't waste my limited time left on earth with that crap.

I've even posted comments on entertainment blogs trying to state a logical point of view about the show, voted in stupid polls, etc.


Yeah. That seems pointless sometimes. Not just with Moonlight, but in other fandoms. It's so disappointing. Mob rules. Have we really evolved millions of years to come to... this? Guess so.

I've noticed some Forever Knight fans are still pretty bitter about this show, Blood Ties fans are screaming a bit and even some freakin' Close to Home fans (not a vampire show) are holding a grudge SNIP This show feels like it has gone through a war online, and this is not really coming from fans in the community, even. Moonlight was one of the big punching bags of the 2007 Fall TV season with critics...


I'm even gladder I haven't had the opportunity to slog through most of this. You'd think vamp show fans would band together to cheer on the latest vamp show trying to make a go of it. But no, of course not. Everyone wants the latest show to be like the old show or considers their show SUPERIOR.

I was a HUGE Forever Knight fan back in the day. I got over my "FK did that first!" grumbling in about ten nanoseconds when I watched the premiere of Angel!! (Well, closer to twenty minutes, but, the point is, I got over it.)

I never understand the whole "x is superior to y!!" argument of fans over different shows in the same genre -- it's like apples and oranges to me. I like apples and oranges, and they are not the same, and I don't want them to be. To say one is better than the other, aesthetically, is absurd.

Shows stealing from each other -- if you go back throughout the history of mankind and the history of creative arts, they have constantly stolen from each other and taken elements from each other. It's not new. It's very very old. But I suspect I'm preaching to the choir here.

The problem that I'm finding now is that if you bring up certain things that is not in line with the so-called perceived "majority" SNIP ...you are almost branded as an enemy of the state... SNIP I DO have a problem with supposedly general communities *saying* that they are open to all fans of the show, but really, they *aren't*.


Exactly. This reminds me of the "Seasons 1 & 2 were better than Season 3" wars. Not to mention the slash vs. anti-slash fighting. Ugh. That's pretty much what soured me on a lot of fandom, even before my tendinitis forced me to spend a lot more time offline.

Part of it is sane moderators stepping in and saying "whoa, let's play nice, people" and it seems some community creators are MIA, or are not helping jump-start community content. SNIP There's lots of funny-related stuff floating around out there right now about Moonlight and this community could be hopping a bit.


I guess I'll just poke around, lurking and occasionally commenting, but largely side-stepping comms wherein there is no hope of thoughtful discourse. Works well for my sanity and tendons. It's vaguely disappointing and lonely, but it's never as disappointing as watching vicious fighting over something stupid in a fandom that should be united. I'd rather just look for good fanfic and avoid all the rest. I appreciate the links you've sent, and I'll gladly have a look through them, tendons permitting. Thank you very kindly for sending them.
ms_geekette
Jan. 5th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
I want to love this show, I do. It has the basic ingredients to be something truly fantastic, imho.

I completely agree with you. I think from a vampire point-of-view, this show could be *really* interesting. And I know some noir fans find this show intriguing in its "noir-ness". I think it has elements that people who are into vampires, romance, mystery, etc. can all enjoy. I think the show's execution of all these elements so far has been pretty uneven, but it is their first season and they had the strike to contend with, along with all the behind the scenes shakeups, so I'm willing to give them a bit of a pass for the moment. But I'd like to see some improvement if they come back from the strike. Hopefully that will happen. (But personally, I think CBS is trying to trick people into watching a show about "scary" vampires, and it shows in some fans interpretations of what happens on the show. Uh, Mick, Josef and Coraline...they are VAMPIRES, ya know? They live off of people, animals, things that spurt blood...)

But basically, I think people who are fans of Moonlight are ok with snarky videos or graphics. When you get into snarktastic comments, well, people can't really snigger about it at this point or let it roll off their back. They think you are a critic trying to kill their show. Oh noes! If I were a critic trying to kill a show, I wouldn't hang out on that show's messageboard for a while, then get all critical just for fun. That seems a bit whack, to me, and sorta a waste of energy. Hopefully if Moonlight gets the official green light (it is currently in a slight limbo in regards to its future), some people will be less anal-retentive about it. I hope so, b/c they are sorta harshing *my* mellow at the moment. ;-D And I don't want to allow some sorta irrational/one-track-mind fans ruin my enjoyment of a TV show. Life is too short.

I've decided that if I want to discuss the show, I just need to post something on my LJ and people can come to me if they want to discuss it. (I haven't been doing that, but I think I will start soon since episode 3 - one of my favs - has re-aired.) I think I am finally officially tired of the trying to get people to see my point of view with Moonlight. It is sorta like banging my head against a wall.

There was no big "Thank God you're alive!" hug or anything. They were almost more slashy in the pilot, when they were touching each other more. ;D

I don't know if you've read some of the hard-core slashers comments on "Sleeping Beauty".
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<q>I want to love this show, I do. It has the basic ingredients to be something truly fantastic, imho. </q>

I completely agree with you. I think from a vampire point-of-view, this show could be *really* interesting. And I know some noir fans find this show intriguing in its "noir-ness". I think it has elements that people who are into vampires, romance, mystery, etc. can all enjoy. I think the show's execution of all these elements so far has been pretty uneven, but it is their first season and they had the strike to contend with, along with all the behind the scenes shakeups, so I'm willing to give them a bit of a pass for the moment. But I'd like to see some improvement if they come back from the strike. Hopefully that will happen. (But personally, I think CBS is trying to trick people into watching a show about "scary" vampires, and it shows in some fans interpretations of what happens on the show. Uh, Mick, Josef and Coraline...they are VAMPIRES, ya know? They live off of people, animals, things that spurt blood...)

But basically, I think people who are fans of Moonlight are ok with snarky videos or graphics. When you get into snarktastic comments, well, people can't really snigger about it at this point or let it roll off their back. They think you are a critic trying to kill their show. Oh noes! If I were a critic trying to kill a show, I wouldn't hang out on that show's messageboard for a while, then get all critical just for fun. That seems a bit whack, to me, and sorta a waste of energy. Hopefully if Moonlight gets the official green light (it is currently in a slight limbo in regards to its future), some people will be less anal-retentive about it. I hope so, b/c they are sorta harshing *my* mellow at the moment. ;-D And I don't want to allow some sorta irrational/one-track-mind fans ruin my enjoyment of a TV show. Life is too short.

I've decided that if I want to discuss the show, I just need to post something on my LJ and people can come to me if they want to discuss it. (I haven't been doing that, but I think I will start soon since episode 3 - one of my favs - has re-aired.) I think I am finally officially tired of the trying to get people to see my point of view with Moonlight. It is sorta like banging my head against a wall.

<q>There was no big "Thank God you're alive!" hug or anything. They were almost more slashy in the pilot, when they were touching each other more. ;D</q>

I don't know if you've read some of the hard-core slashers comments on "Sleeping Beauty". <lj-user="miriam_heddy"> and <lj user="bigboobedcanuck"> are two that immediately come to mind. I think they felt that this episode was *way* slashier than the pilot, but they are masters at seeing subtext out the wazoo on TV shows. It might be a case of something like those reading examples you see...when certain words are left out of a paragraph, you can read it, but it still makes sense to your brain. Does that make any sense? But yeah, Mick has not cried big ole blubbery tears for *anyone* on this show - not even Beth (he has just gotten misty-eyed)- except for Josef. Josef and Mick, sitting in a tree... :)

I think *that* (the leaving words out of the paragraph example) is really how I'm gonna have to view this show, but it *really* bothers me when they leave big revelations like Beth staking/attacking her kidnapper and rival to her "crush" and how she goes to "oops, I'm soo sorry" kinda out in the ether, even if Sophia tried to put as much nuance in that brief hospital moment in "Sleeping Beauty" as she could. That shouldn't be relegated to fanfic...it is a cornerstone of the show's premise. Is anyone in this show going to deal with *any* of their demons? That disappoints me, if that is the case.

(more crap to follow...)
ms_geekette
Jan. 5th, 2008 05:32 am (UTC)
Moonlight is currently *very* bad at marginalizing legit sources of conflict between the two leads, and if they are going to do that, they should just throw them together already, IMO. I don't see how they can continue this way, unless they just start importing cardboard Mick/Beth wedges of the week or the three episode arc. That will get old, perhaps even to the diehards out there. Maybe more people will be in a snarky mood, then. ;-)

But I'm hopeful things will turn around...there's still the "dangling carrot of show awesomeness" for me with Moonlight (courtesy of spoilers I've seen, mainly ep 12), so I will wait it out a bit longer before totally throwing my hands up in disgust. heh

(And whoops, the slasher links above went all wonky on me...*really* sorry about that. Don't want to delete and repost the comment and fill up your email more than I already have with my ramblings. :( Try these links for insights on Moonlight slashy goodness: miriam_heddy bigboobedcanuck )

Cheers!

and if you are a fan of the vampire or noir stuff, check out this post I made here: http://community.livejournal.com/mickcoraline/5262.html
verushka70
Jan. 7th, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
Moonlight is currently *very* bad at marginalizing legit sources of conflict between the two leads, and if they are going to do that, they should just throw them together already, IMO.


Yeah, but that would be the kiss of death to the UST and the mystery that keeps people tuning in. Which I'm sure the writers know, I would hope.

I don't see how they can continue this way, unless they just start importing cardboard Mick/Beth wedges of the week or the three episode arc. That will get old, perhaps even to the diehards out there. Maybe more people will be in a snarky mood, then. ;-)


They will definitely have to do something. I'm willing to cut the writers a bit of slack since it is the first season, after all; many shows have had inconsistencies in the first season. I was lukewarm on Mick/Beth in the pilot, but I was going for the whole Mick/Beth thing after "Fever." But they've done so much to kill the angst and tension that was so deliciously tantalizing in Fever, Arrested Development and B.C. since Coraline came on the scene. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not. By the time the Mick/Coraline chemistry suddenly became a lot more interesting than Mick/Beth -- mainly because Beth started to do (not unjustified) crazy/jealous things to which Mick had almost no reaction -- I started to realize I was losing interest in the Mick/Beth, where before Morgaline's appearance, I'd been getting more and more into it.

But then, MIck's reaction to Morgan/Coraline's staking and hospitalization was remarkably cold, given that all he kept asking about was how she became human. Yet the final nail in Beth's "crime of passion" staking of Morgan/Coraline was seeing Mick wet from the shower and Coraline in his shirt also wet, an act that was set into motion before he knew it was Coraline, when he still thought it was Morgan and simply couldn't help himself. Interesting that he had no problems restraining himself from the human Beth, theoretically for her own good because the "vampire and human thing" never works out -- yet he simply couldn't stop himself from pursuing the (for all he knew at the time) also equally human Morgan...!

But I'm hopeful things will turn around...there's still the "dangling carrot of show awesomeness" for me with Moonlight (courtesy of spoilers I've seen, mainly ep 12), so I will wait it out a bit longer before totally throwing my hands up in disgust. heh


Spoilers are like crack for me. I sometimes can't resist but then I'm sorry I watched and spoiled the suspense for myself. I did that with Sleeping Beauty and I was really bummed that I spoiled the whole Josef/human thing for myself. So I'm not doing it again! (she said hopefully)
diamondnight
Jan. 8th, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
[i]Yet the final nail in Beth's "crime of passion" staking of Morgan/Coraline was seeing Mick wet from the shower and Coraline in his shirt also wet, an act that was set into motion before he knew it was Coraline, when he still thought it was Morgan and simply couldn't help himself. Interesting that he had no problems restraining himself from the human Beth, theoretically for her own good because the "vampire and human thing" never works out -- yet he simply couldn't stop himself from pursuing the (for all he knew at the time) also equally human Morgan...![/i]

I wonder... did Mick somehow know deep-down it was Coraline (despite not having the faintest idea of a cure existing)? Or was the fact that Morgan was an exact ringer for his ex-wife too much for him to resist?

I love that shower scene so much, mostly because Mick's emotions and motivations are so hard to read. I personally am in the camp that believes there was no manipulation going on there from Mick. He got into the shower and kissed Morgan/Coraline because he wanted her, plain and simple. The opportunity presented itself to check for the tattoo, but I don't believe he went into the shower to prove Morgan was Coraline.
verushka70
Jan. 8th, 2008 01:52 pm (UTC)
I wonder... did Mick somehow know deep-down it was Coraline (despite not having the faintest idea of a cure existing)? Or was the fact that Morgan was an exact ringer for his ex-wife too much for him to resist?


I think he'd gotten past thinking she was Coraline, but simply couldn't resist.


I love that shower scene so much, mostly because Mick's emotions and motivations are so hard to read.


Yeah. And it's definitely a hot scene. But I read a lot of things in his face before Morgan spoke to him and he opened the shower door. To me in that scene, Mick looks lonely, longing, lusty, guilty, and kinda forlorn. The guilty and forlorn look makes me think he knows it isn't Coraline, yet he's sorry it isn't... so he feels guilty about that, about wanting it to be Coraline... disappointed in himself to realize that he'd still want her even after all she did, even after feeling he had no choice but to kill her to stop her from turning Beth into their little vamp child.

This only supports Josef's fantastic quote from the same ep: When it comes to Coraline, Mick doesn't think with his big head. You have to understand: Mick and Coraline's relationship was one of those terrifying, completely self-destructive freak shows that you spend your whole life searching for, knowing it can only end in one or both of you dead.


I personally am in the camp that believes there was no manipulation going on there from Mick.


I agree. No manipulation on Mick's part.

But when you stop to think about it -- across the two episodes The Ringer and Fleur De Lis -- damn, Morgaline was seriously manipulating him (and Beth)! She was dropping hints, as we find out in the shower scene. Hell, she left the bathroom door open on purpose, clearly. In the shower when Mick gets in and kisses her and realizes it's actually Coraline, she says, "How many clues did I have to give you? The Proust book? Our old song? I even ordered my favorite glass of wine."

When you stop to consider the effort and planning that she must have put into masquerading as Morgan, getting close to Beth as Morgan, and then getting close to Mick again as Morgan -- and who knows what was going on with that hotel fire? was that merely coincidence, or was Coraline somehow in on it? -- it's an incredible amount of planning and effort. Machiavellian, almost.

Like her statement after Mick saves her from the stepmother who almost ran her down -- she tells the cop, "Sorry, I'm just a little freaked out. I've never been almost killed." Plus, she had to act as if she truly believed he was human the whole time -- had to pretend she had no idea he was a vampire. Whoa. Serious planning and effort. Pretty twisted, eh?

He got into the shower and kissed Morgan/Coraline because he wanted her, plain and simple. The opportunity presented itself to check for the tattoo, but I don't believe he went into the shower to prove Morgan was Coraline.


I agree. He wanted into that shower first and foremost. Finding the tattoo clearly came after.
diamondnight
Jan. 9th, 2008 01:06 am (UTC)
Yeah. And it's definitely a hot scene. But I read a lot of things in his face before Morgan spoke to him and he opened the shower door. To me in that scene, Mick looks lonely, longing, lusty, guilty, and kinda forlorn. The guilty and forlorn look makes me think he knows it isn't Coraline, yet he's sorry it isn't... so he feels guilty about that, about wanting it to be Coraline... disappointed in himself to realize that he'd still want her even after all she did, even after feeling he had no choice but to kill her to stop her from turning Beth into their little vamp child.



Yes, wonderfully said.



This only supports Josef's fantastic quote from the same ep: When it comes to Coraline, Mick doesn't think with his big head. You have to understand: Mick and Coraline's relationship was one of those terrifying, completely self-destructive freak shows that you spend your whole life searching for, knowing it can only end in one or both of you dead.



I really hope the writers expand on Mick/Coraline's relationship. I refuse to believe it was only based on sex -- that alone would not keep him coming back for 33 years. I do think he was deeply in love with her, but I want to KNOW and I want to SEE what made their relationship so destructive. It's one thing for the characters to tell us that, but it's another to actually see it play out before us.



But when you stop to think about it -- across the two episodes The Ringer and Fleur De Lis -- damn, Morgaline was seriously manipulating him (and Beth)! She was dropping hints, as we find out in the shower scene. Hell, she left the bathroom door open on purpose, clearly. In the shower when Mick gets in and kisses her and realizes it's actually Coraline, she says, "How many clues did I have to give you? The Proust book? Our old song? I even ordered my favorite glass of wine." When you stop to consider the effort and planning that she must have put into masquerading as Morgan, getting close to Beth as Morgan, and then getting close to Mick again as Morgan -- and who knows what was going on with that hotel fire? was that merely coincidence, or was Coraline somehow in on it? -- it's an incredible amount of planning and effort. Machiavellian, almost.



Coraline is a master manipulator. Mick had her game called from the beginning, and yet he STILL fell for it. She is *that* good. Although I wonder why all the mind games and extensive planning if she WANTED Mick to know she was back and seemingly forgave him for leaving for her dead. You'd think she'd keep up the charade for as long as possible and make him suffer in some way.
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